{"id":1522,"date":"2007-09-25T09:31:00","date_gmt":"2007-09-25T13:31:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.calgarygrit.ca\/?p=1522"},"modified":"2007-09-25T09:31:00","modified_gmt":"2007-09-25T13:31:00","slug":"mmp-not-really-for-me","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.calgarygrit.ca\/?p=1522","title":{"rendered":"MMP, not really for me"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I&#8217;ve been watching what has turned into quite the blog war over the Ontario <span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\" id=\"SPELLING_ERROR_0\">MMP<\/span> referendum with fascination. I&#8217;m fully aware that most people in the general population probably aren&#8217;t very interested in the debate but, if you&#8217;re reading this blog, odds are you&#8217;re a political geek, in which case, West Wing reruns aside, you probably love nothing more in life than debating electoral reform (unless you stumbled across this by mistake on a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.google.com\/search?hl=en&amp;rlz=1T4RNWN_enCA224CA224&amp;q=People+who+want+sex+tonight+Calgary\">weird<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.google.ca\/search?hl=en&amp;q=%22anticipatory+hypothetical%22&amp;meta=\"><span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\" id=\"SPELLING_ERROR_1\">google<\/span><\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.google.com\/search?hl=en&amp;rlz=1T4RNWN_enCA224CA224&amp;q=%22Used+gun+stores+Calgary%22\">search<\/a>).<\/p>\n<p><strong>Does Ontario Need Electoral Reform?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>In general, I do think electoral reform is a good thing. Fixed election dates, more <span class=\"blsp-spelling-corrected\" id=\"SPELLING_ERROR_2\">openness<\/span> and transparency, maybe a preferential ballot&#8230;I can generally get behind a lot of moves aimed at &#8220;democratizing&#8221; the system (whatever that means).<\/p>\n<p>But do we need to <em>change<\/em> the system? I dunno. First past the post has given Canada, and Canadian provinces, pretty good government over the past 140 years. Yes, there are some problems with a lack of diversity among elected officials, representation not directly related to vote totals, and low voter turn-out rates. For me, I think the system can be fixed with tinkering but I can at least see where people are coming from when they say that change is needed.<\/p>\n<p><strong>The Effect of <span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\" id=\"SPELLING_ERROR_3\">MMP<\/span> from a Practical Perspective<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>OK, so you&#8217;re one of those people that wants change. But we could change the system to anything from a Monarchy to a philosopher king &#8211; there needs to be reason enough to believe that <span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\" id=\"SPELLING_ERROR_4\">MMP<\/span> would be an improvement. So what can we reasonably expect <span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\" id=\"SPELLING_ERROR_5\">MMP<\/span> to change?<\/p>\n<p>Well, the smaller parties would get more seats, for starters. That&#8217;s good news for <span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\" id=\"SPELLING_ERROR_6\">NDP<\/span> and Green supporters. It would also mean perpetual minority\/coalition governments &#8211; whether that&#8217;s good or bad is debatable. As for fringe parties, they&#8217;d need to pick up 3% to get seats so it only changes things if you think the &#8220;abortion party&#8221;, &#8220;<span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\" id=\"SPELLING_ERROR_7\">jewish<\/span> rights party&#8221;, or &#8220;<span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\" id=\"SPELLING_ERROR_8\">NDP<\/span>&#8221; could reach that threshold. My main fear is that there&#8217;s no incentive to be a big tent party under this system. I could guarantee that the PCs would split within five years because it makes more pragmatic sense to have a PC party hugging the centre and a separate right wing party to bring out the hard right wingers.<\/p>\n<p>As for being more representative, yeah, if the list candidates were appointed, you&#8217;d get more females and minorities for sure. Then again, if the list candidates were appointed, it could get consumed with patronage.<\/p>\n<p>Then you get voter turn-out. I know the argument is that certain <span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\" id=\"SPELLING_ERROR_9\">ridings<\/span> are slam dunks so people feel there&#8217;s no reason to vote because their vote doesn&#8217;t matter. If you think about things, the odds that one vote, out of five million province wide for 39 seats will make a difference is nearly non-<span class=\"blsp-spelling-corrected\" id=\"SPELLING_ERROR_10\">existent<\/span>. Maybe <span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\" id=\"SPELLING_ERROR_11\">there&#8217;d<\/span> be a psychological thing that would encourage more people to vote, but I&#8217;m a little skeptical myself.<\/p>\n<p>Since I&#8217;m not a huge fan of minority governments and <span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\" id=\"SPELLING_ERROR_12\">MMP<\/span> increases the odds of large parties fracturing, it doesn&#8217;t do much for me from a pragmatic point of view.<\/p>\n<p><strong><span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\" id=\"SPELLING_ERROR_13\">MMP<\/span> from a Theoretical Perspective<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Liking the system because of actual benefits it would bring is one thing. Liking it from a theoretical perspective could also be a good reason to bring it in. You know, all that feel good &#8220;fairness&#8221; and &#8220;democracy&#8221; crap people seem so attached to for whatever reason. And, having the percentage of <span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\" id=\"SPELLING_ERROR_14\">MPPs<\/span> correspond to the percentage of votes certainly sounds fairer.<\/p>\n<p>On the flip side, you have <span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\" id=\"SPELLING_ERROR_15\">MPPs<\/span> being elected indirectly. Like him or hate him, Rob Anders does get directly elected by the voters of Calgary West so there&#8217;s a certain legitimacy to him being in Parliament. That gets blurred a bit once you start talking about lists. I personally think <span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\" id=\"SPELLING_ERROR_16\">STV<\/span> makes more sense from a theoretical perspective than <span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\" id=\"SPELLING_ERROR_17\">MMP<\/span> but I guess that&#8217;s a preference thing &#8211; Coke or Pepsi, Marianne or Ginger.<\/p>\n<p>The very least I can see where <span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\" id=\"SPELLING_ERROR_18\">MMP<\/span> supporters are coming from when they talk about it from a theoretical perspective.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Conclusions<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\" id=\"SPELLING_ERROR_19\">MMP<\/span> would be an interesting experiment but I just don&#8217;t think the problem is big enough or that the solution would improve things. And I&#8217;m saying this fully aware that <span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\" id=\"SPELLING_ERROR_20\">MMP<\/span> would mean a lot more Liberals, both federally and provincially, elected in Alberta. For a counter-point, here&#8217;s a good post on the <a href=\"http:\/\/sometimesfickle.blogspot.com\/2007\/09\/ontario-electoral-reform.html\">New <span class=\"blsp-spelling-error\" id=\"SPELLING_ERROR_21\">Zealand<\/span> experience<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I&#8217;ve been watching what has turned into quite the blog war over the Ontario MMP referendum with fascination. I&#8217;m fully aware that most people in the general population probably aren&#8217;t very interested in the debate but, if you&#8217;re reading this blog, odds are you&#8217;re a political geek, in which case, West Wing reruns aside, you [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1522","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.calgarygrit.ca\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1522","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.calgarygrit.ca\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.calgarygrit.ca\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.calgarygrit.ca\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.calgarygrit.ca\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=1522"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.calgarygrit.ca\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1522\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.calgarygrit.ca\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=1522"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.calgarygrit.ca\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=1522"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.calgarygrit.ca\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=1522"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}